Scientists create Shroud of Truth

October 6, 2009 at 9:12 pm 6 comments

It’s all about origins, which the UA has a lot of researchers in.  In this case it’s the Shroud of Turin, claimed to have been the burial cloth of Jesus that bears his image.

About 20 years ago some scientists from the UA proved the material was less than a thousand years old, and now scientists have reproduced it completely.

So is this science vs religion?  No, on the contrary, religion should embrace this scientific find… if Christians claim to be looking for truth, then they shouldn’t waste their time with fake relics.

ROME — Scientists have reproduced the Shroud of Turin — revered as the cloth that covered Jesus in the tomb — and say the experiment proves the relic was man-made, a group of Italian debunkers said Monday.

The shroud bears the figure of a crucified man, complete with blood seeping out of nailed hands and feet, and believers say Christ’s image was recorded on the linen fibers at the time of his resurrection.

Scientists have reproduced the shroud using materials and methods available in the 14th century, the Italian Committee for Checking Claims on the Paranormal said.

The group said this is further evidence the shroud is a medieval forgery. In 1988, scientists led by two from the University of Arizona used radiocarbon dating to determine it was made in the 13th or 14th century…

via Italian skeptics say reproduction proves Shroud of Turin fake


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  • 1. Robert Haas  |  October 7, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    The new “replica” of the Turin Shroud using red oxide and other methods mocks all of the perfection of the genuine image. The anatomy in this duplication attempt is laughable. The fake shroud cannot come close its perfection, history and anatomical accuracy. The real shroud has been proven free of red oxid as the composition material of the Turin image. The so called traces of the oxide that is there, occured when Turin Shroud came in contact with painted and drawn replicas that were sanctified by being placed on the real object. The same is true with candle wax, and lipstick as people made their devotions through the centuries..This scientific copy is a travesty. It does not have the 3 dimensional truth , and the proportions are laughable. Mt tirade aside, I think that it is better to keep an open mind.. no one can prove if the Turin Shroud is or isnt real.

  • 2. mathgeneration  |  October 7, 2009 at 2:23 pm

    The new replica may not be up to everyone’s standards…
    but we can prove that the original shroud is only about 600 or 700 years old…

    That’s not enough time to be from Jesus.

    I do think it’s important that we don’t venerate fakes and frauds. If we do we are misdirecting our efforts from what is real.

  • 3. thechristseminar  |  October 8, 2009 at 8:20 am

    “the experiment proves the relic was man-made”

    … I would just say proves it is possible that it is man-made. The fact that we can make a forgery today does not prove that the original is a forgery as well. This is faulty logic….

    • 4. mathgeneration  |  October 8, 2009 at 9:35 am

      For one, the relic was indeed man-made… that is if you believe Jesus was also man.

      I agree that the recent results don’t prove it was a forgery, but that it *could* be a fraud. However, I think the dating of the shroud to only 600-700 years ago cannot be dismissed.

      There’s no reason to defend a hoax or a lie. This is not proof that God exists or doesn’t exist… it’s just saying that something that we thought comes from Jesus, really doesn’t.

      The Church itself hasn’t proclaimed that it is from Jesus either.

  • 5. thechristseminar  |  October 8, 2009 at 5:49 pm

    I agree. My point is only that skeptics can be just as prone to exaggerate the importance of findings like this and draw conclusions that are not warranted.

    The fact that people with 21st century knowledge and research facilities can use 14th century materials to make a fake shroud says nothing at all about what people with 14th century wisdom were capable of. It is a nice art project – but shoddy conclusions.

    I don’t think anyone actually argued from the Shroud to faith in God… so no-one’s faith will be shattered by this finding in any case.

    And I agree that the dating is a lot better an argument anyway.

    By the way by: “The Church” I assume you mean the Roman Catholic Church?

  • 6. Bill D  |  January 28, 2010 at 2:58 pm

    In order to say that you have reproduced or created a forgery like the shroud of turin must pass all test that would indicate that it has been replicated like the shroud without an error’s. So this means that the replica with 14 cenutry technology. There is a video that disputes this claim of reproducing the shroud since it does not pass all testing that is done like the shroud of turin was done by scientist.


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